Hydrogen Generator

[Candyman55]

[sawyer]

Wow, that one should really kick out some hho. Looks like hydrotechs tube design. Have you done a LPM test yet?
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[Candyman55]

I have been tring to post this darned thing all evening and lost it twice.

I have been working on this generator for quite sometime. After trying several other designs,(TERO, Plates, cups etc.). There was always a problem of some sort either to much heat or not enough production. So I came to the conclusion that a overlarge cell was the only way to go.

We are going to have to face the fact that if we are going to realize any kind of production we are going to have make larger cells with enough electorlyte to run cooler while we pump the amps in. I plan on installing this generator on a 2007 toyota tundra with a 5.7 engine and I don't think that a measly 2 LPM will get it.

The generator in the pics. has run for approx. 1 hour -- using rain water and potassium hydroxide -- starting eemp was 74.5 degrees and after 1 hour at 38.6 amps the temp is only 89.5 deg.

[randy]

that thing looks like it wants more amps, cool nice job the way ya connected it, now yer in the same boat with Bob hydrotech & me-----BIGGER ALTERNATORS

[Candyman55]

I plan on giving it more amps. My truck has a 150 Amp alternator, I tried to check the draw last night. But i am not sure if I am doing it right my meter was only reading 3 amps.

[Cowboy]

Disconnect the power lead from the generator and use the meter to make the connection from the wire to the gen.
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[Candyman55]

sawyer, I havent checked the LPM yet. I had it running with six cells and at 38 amps it was right at 2 LPMThere are 8 cells now, I have had it running down there now since 8: 15 this morning it started at 75.? degrees with 40 Amps. time now is 11:15 it is 132 degrees and 52 amps. Making a good bit of gas, I will run it for a while longer and then dump it out, clean it out and add a couple of fittings for the bubbler.

Cowboy, I was trying to check and see how much Amps the truck draws. Got any idea how?

[Cowboy]

It's pretty hard to say for sure, but If you have a clamp-on ammeter handy you can disconnect the alternator, start the truck, turn everything on, and read the meter. The clamp would go on the (+) battery cable.

Other than that there's not a great way. Maybe hooking an ammeter in series with the alt. charge wire, start the truck, disconnect the battery and start turning things on. But that's not a very good way.
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[Candyman55]

I have a clamp on meter, I will give that a try.

I think that I will try to use a afr sensor calibrator from URD, instead of an EFIE. Got any thoughts or experiences with that?

[350ford]

looks sweet.

[Candyman55]

I got 2 Options to mount this thing, either here or on the bed. I think I am going to try here to start since it is closer to the battery. But if it works and can get the bugs worked out it probably will go in a toolbox in the bed.

Any Opinions?

[Cowboy]

I can't view the images, but your tool box would be a nice enclosure for it. An option that I would go with if I were to put one in the bed is a little different than most. I would run a second battery with it. Welding leads are great battery cables. Run it in parrallel with the battery in the engine compartment, then run wires to the gen. The reason I would go this way is because the longer the wire is that feeds the gen, the larger it needs to be. It would create a certain amount of energy loss by heat, more so than by running a second battery.

And it looks cool.
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[COYOTE102076]

I love it. It is HUGE!
But I keep asking myself the same question over & over again. That bloom'n large and only 2 LPM ? ! ? ! ?

It looks like it should make 4 times that amount !!

Great work man! Real good craftsamnship too!
---------------------------------------------------kj

[hydrotinkerer]

Cool setup, look as big as some of the vehicles people are putting hho on.

[Bob Kelly]

OK time for Bob's Rule of thumb play.....
8 cells each having 4 plates 4x8=16 plates
2 amps per plate= 32 amps
... it should only take 32 amps to drive that unit into top proformance... but thats not 2LPM... 2LPM per cell perhaps!
2x8=16LPM is my guess but perhaps twice that! (no realy!)
...so its not the amps per plate thats the problem...
Now if you take 8 cells and devide 12vdc by 8 you get 1.5vdc
per cell.... that should fly fine especially if you figure the 14.2vdc from the altenator=1.775vdc per cell(if their truly in series it will be that same voltage on each plate)
(looks like someone did his homework to me!)<grin>
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that leaves how their hooked up...
if their all in series getting 1.5vdc each then they are running on only about 5 amps each when you feed it with 40 amps,... or put another way 40 amps/8= 5 amps per cell
5 amps per cell/4 plates=1.25 amps per plate... BINGO thats the problem....not enough amprage.

so lets go about it another way.....

... so to push that thing into a working fever you need 20 amps per cell...(why? well because we know 20 amps usually works on such a cell!)
anyway..... 8cells x20amps= 160 amps....
although you can probly get away with 10 amps per cell makeing it only 80 amps.... but anything less it will fall off in production very fast....
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I'ed bet dollars to donuts if you pumped 150 amps into that beastie you'ed get 16LPM out of it first try !
..its a big cell and it needs big amps ! your starveing it right now ...but look out when you get power to it !
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Well done ! very nice build ...

you should have enough Hydroxy gas there to get you to 75MPG
if you get the rest of the computer stuff to go along with the idea !...don't settle for 40mpg ! that unit can do better than that even with that big engine ...REALY !!!!
thats My guess anyway FWIW!
...
Bob........
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