Hydrogen Generator

[Bob Kelly]

I am no expert. but here are some tips to keeping you out of the hospital or burning your car to the ground!
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1. Use large diamator wire when wireing a generator up !
10 guage is the smallest I'ed go and even that may not be big enough! these things pull a bunch of amprage and it will meld down small wires ( they get red hot burn off the insulation and catch fire to anything!)

2. Use a bubbler, even for testing its an important safty device that should not be over looked . the bubbler should have a POP off lid... I use a 2" expandable end plug in the
bubbler and the Hydroxy generator ...so they both have easy filling with water and can "Pop off" if ignited rather than explode and destroy the containers!

3. Wire a "Constant Use "Relay switch into the ignition key of your car to turn the unit ON...so it can only be on when the engine is running and off when you take the key out.
a extra toggle switch and amp meter inside the cab is nice and handy too so you can keep tabs on whats going on under the hood!

4. Alwayse carry a fire estinguisher in your vehicle !

5. What EVER you do DO not be tempted to light the end of the hose with a match ! Hydroxy gas does not burn it explodes!
... I repeat,,, Hydroxy gas does NOT BURN it "EXPLODES !"

6. Should a short out of the internal plates in your Hydroxy generator Occure you can turn off the key switch and that will trip the relay and stop the flow of electrons...
but having a 30amp in line fuze or auto reset curcuit breaker in line will be much faster than you could ever be!
and save you melted parts in the proccess
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7. Seal up those water leaks ! its not only a pain to get water all over the place because it leaks but you never know how much water you have in the unit and can run it low.
doing that means the Generator chamber holds much more gas than usual and becomes a hazard in itself a container of Hydroxy Gas the size we typically employ is equivelent to 6 sticks of dynamite.... or so I have read somewhere!
...so you don't want to ignite it !
(especially under the hood !)


Any other sujestions to this list ?
please feel free to Add your safty tips !
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Bob........
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[Bob Kelly]

DO NOT USE Screen or Steel wool as a Flash back preventer!
... I have seen on a few designs on how to make your Own flash back preventer.... PLEASE DON"T DO THIS!
Hydroxy gas burns at 1000 times faster than gasoline/air mix
and will pas right through screens or steel wool as a flash back Arrestor...
your best hope is a bubbler ... or even 2 if your paranoid !
dividing the bubble stream into 2 or more separate streams
will help prevent the Ignited hydroxy gas from flowing through the stream of bubbles ,through the bubbler and into the generator..... YES it can do just that!
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FWIW
Bob.......
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"My Mother alwayse told me ..."Son the IMPOSSABLE is only a little bit harder!", and you know, I do believe she is Right!"

[Bob Kelly]

DO NOT LIGHT THE END OF THE HOSE !
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this should be obvious, but it is so tempting to light the hydroxy gas to see what it does that some people will fall prey to it.
Hydroxy gas is 1 part Hydrogen and 2 parts Oxigen, so it doesn't burn at all it simply explodes...
you won't get a flame out the end of the hose you'll get an explosion of the bubbler Pop off cap ... if your lucky
if your not so lucky it can go all the way to your generator and blow it up as well !
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believe me it is TEMPTING ! I know , been there done that!
but don't do it ! fill a small balloon if you absoultly must
hear and see the explosion... but devise a way to light it from a long way away! or you may well loose a hand or your hearing!
... believe me guys this stuff is realy MEAN !
...even a small amount!
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Bob.......
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[LtCFisher]

As the generator heats up and gas is produced it travels to the bubbler!
Now after shut down, the generator that has expanded from heat goes into a vacuum pulling the liquid from the bubbler, is it possible to put a valve on the generator to alow the system to equalize to air during the shut down process, or simple install a valve between to generator and bubbler, the later does not seem to be a safe idea.
Any thoughts on this?

[Bob Kelly]

the expansion and contraction due to heat isn't all that much
at the very most it can only go to -20 p.s.i. due to the limitations of vacume of air.... what the limitations on hydroxy gas is in a vacume i have no idea but suspect its near tht of air as well.
the problem is the sucking the water out of the bubbler slowly and purdy soon your generator is over full and your bubbler empty... the dander here then is your bubbler can no longer funtion and fills with hydroxy gas and becomes a potential bomb
thats why you check the bubbler often !
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a one way valve between the generator and the bubbler does seam to stop the sucking back of the water from the bubbler
owever it does leave the generator in a state of vacume but its only a small amount of vacume and doesn't seam to hurt anything.
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Bob....
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[Uncle Jaque]

[quote="Bob Kelly"]... believe me guys this stuff is realy MEAN !
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So Bob, correct me if I'm wrong here...

But what you're telling us is that firing a potato out of a PVC potato cannon with Brown's Gas might not be all that bright an idea...????

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********** Later Comment: ***********

This Morning they were discussing hydrogen powered cars on a local talk radio show. The host commented at the end of the discussion that whenever the topic of hydrogen fuel was discussed, he couldn't help but think about the Hindenburg....

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[H]

With reference to Bob's safety tip, I filled a 12 oz plastic drink bottle with hydroxy by water displacement. My boy wanted to see if it would explode. I told him "trust me, it will." He went around the garage, pushed a flame to the bottle with a pole and BOOM! Sounded like a July 4th ariel bomb.
And consider this: The Hindenberg contained Hydrogen only. If it had Hydroxy in it, there probably would have been no survivors.
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[Bob Kelly]

No survivers ? there probly wouldn't have been any survivers for 2 miles around the thing ! that blimp held a Hudge amount of volume.... the cuncushion alone would have wiped the county clean ! HAHAHAHA
...Yes it goes bang real real good !
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Bob.......
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[Horse]

hhmmmmm sounds like a lotto phunn a filled jug submerged in a pond & touched off with an electrical spark wudd bee easy fishin. Hekk this thing may never git into my truk Jess kiddin guys.. hhmmm I think
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[Cowboy]

Well in the interest of others safety I conducted another test this weekend. I filled a 20 oz bottle with hydroxy, capped it and set it up on the far side of my yard. I whipped out the .22 and fired. Nothing. I happen to be able to hit fly turds 300 yds out, so I didn't miss. I emptied the magazine and all that happened was the bottle became not so water tight. So, for any of you in South Central or anywhere in Detroit, don't worry, it is safe for urban use.

I conducted the same test, with the addition of open flame, and that was just cool.

Please don't test this at home. Hydroxy is very unstable and serious injury can occur when not performed by professionals.
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[martinbros]

[quote="Cowboy"] I emptied the magazine and all that happened was the bottle became not so water tight.

Please don't test this at home. Hydroxy is very unstable and serious injury can occur when not performed by professionals.[/quote]

Oh well. Back to Pine Barren Pop Bottles.
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[Cowboy]

I'll let you test it at home, but that's only because you're one of them misery... er. missouri.
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[Uncle Jaque]

Try using tracer rounds next time.

I suppose we'd best tread lightly here, mates, lest we have the BATFE lurking around in here and some of us having the Homeland Security SWAT team showing up at our garages!


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[Orbin]

LtCFisher,

you're absolutely spot-on!
You need 2 non-return valves per cell - 1 for the hydroxy to bubbler, and 1 to pull air in via a filter. That means they're reversed in direction!
Better still is to pull the cell-air from a bank which has another valve to a small filter - eg a bubble-stone from a fishtank. This filter sucks in the air. Such gives you clean air in and roughly double the pressure the valve can withstand. Besides, a leaking valve will not immediately cause a problem because you've got 2 in series.

Oh, and the above means every cell has his own valve to the bubbler - with several advantages.
Each line will produce its own bubbles in the bubbler. Not only are the bubbles smaller but you can see every cell working, so to say 'live' and in comparison.
Also, with a backflash the pressure has to go to each cell via a narrow line > high resistivity. And just before the cell the valve is present (mind, it sits close to the cell, not close to the bubbler).
But you'll get my drift, you did ask after all.

[Bob Kelly]

OK where do you get those little check valves ?
I saw one on Hydrotech's rig, ment to adk him but I asked at autozone and they looked at me like I just landed from another planet !...
then I asked for a 30 amp constant use relay and the guy scratched his chin and looked at the celing... I said OK how about a fuze ! HE said OH yah we got fuzes ! right over here !
and lead the way .....
one out'a 3 ain't 2 bad for those guys anymore ! if you want oil or fuzes thats the place to go I guess ! HAHAHAHAHHAA
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sense then I've looked at about 6 places and not a single check valve... I bought a PCV valve out of despration only to find it doesn't work ! ( great product there ! )
soI still need some 1/4" in line check-valves WHERE DO I GET THEM ????? HEHEHEHEHEH
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Bob........
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